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04/01/2011 01:00 PM House RESOURCES


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01:05:28 PM Start
01:05:49 PM Confirmation Hearing(s): Board of Game
01:26:59 PM HB195
02:46:46 PM HB144
02:58:11 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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+ Confirmation Hearing: TELECONFERENCED
Board of Game
*+ HB 195 PESTICIDES AND BROADCAST CHEMICALS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 144 REPORT ON FISHING STREAM ACCESS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 144(RES) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
           HB 195-PESTICIDES AND BROADCAST CHEMICALS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:26:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON announced  that the  next order  of business  is                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 195, "An Act  relating to the regulation  and use                                                               
of pesticides and broadcast chemicals."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:27 p.m. to 1:30 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:29:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE, prime sponsor of HB  195, presented the bill.  He                                                               
commented   that  the   short  title   should  read   eliminating                                                               
unnecessary  regulation and  saving  the State  of Alaska  money.                                                               
The State  of Alaska has  pages and pages of  regulations related                                                               
to pesticides and broadcast chemicals.   These regulations assure                                                               
that individuals,  businesses, government agencies  safely handle                                                               
and  apply these  products.   As of  March 31,  2011, Alaska  has                                                               
6,342 products  registered under  these regulations  ranging from                                                               
Lysol brand disinfectant  products to fumigants with  a skull and                                                               
crossbones and word  "DANGER" on the label.  All  of the products                                                               
have the following  in common:  they are approved  by the federal                                                               
government and  the State of  Alaska for  use in Alaska  and have                                                               
been  tested  under  rigorous  federal  environmental  protection                                                               
standards.  It  is legal for citizens to  purchase these products                                                               
and use them according to instructions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:31:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE pointed  out that individuals use  the majority of                                                               
the  products.   He  explained  that  a  different set  of  rules                                                               
applies if someone wants to  use these products on someone else's                                                               
property on state land or uses state funds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  related that commercial applicators  are trained,                                                               
tested, and certified by the State  of Alaska before they can use                                                               
pesticides. These  certified applicators  apply many of  the same                                                               
products available  to the general  public at retail  stores, but                                                               
must be more knowledgeable than  the average consumer before they                                                               
can  use the  product.   These  rules require  the applicator  to                                                               
understand the information  on the label, the  formulation of the                                                               
pesticide,  hazards  of  using  different  products,  the  proper                                                               
personal    protective    equipment,    transportation,    proper                                                               
application  and  storage, security  of  the  products and  other                                                               
items listed on  the table of contents of  the National Pesticide                                                               
Applicator  Certification Core  Manual.   This  manual, over  200                                                               
pages  in length  represents  only a  portion of  the  rules.   A                                                               
person  must  obtain an  additional  certification  to apply  the                                                               
product  under   specific  circumstances  such   as  right-of-way                                                               
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE offered his belief that  this bill, HB 195, is not                                                               
about  risks   that  may  be  associated   with  applications  of                                                               
pesticides  and  broadcast  chemicals.     It  is  about  placing                                                               
unnecessary restrictions upon public agencies                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE further related that  the State of Alaska requires                                                               
agencies to obtain a permit  from the Department of Environmental                                                               
Conservation  (DEC) before  they apply  pesticides and  broadcast                                                               
chemicals on  public land,  or where public  funds are  used. The                                                               
DEC  permit  requires   collection  of  unnecessary  information,                                                               
delays application of  the product, increases costs  to the state                                                               
and  other  government agencies,  and  does  not increase  safety                                                               
related to product  application. This permit is  not required for                                                               
application on private property by  a commercial applicator.  The                                                               
Alaska  Statute allows  the DEC  to create  regulations that  are                                                               
specific to application of pesticides  and broadcast chemicals on                                                               
public  land or  with  public funds.  However,  DEC created  this                                                               
permit  procedure   that  is  not   risk-based  and   creates  an                                                               
unnecessary burden to itself and other state agencies.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE explained that HB  195 would repeals the authority                                                               
of the  DEC to regulate  application of pesticides  and broadcast                                                               
chemicals  on public  land or  with public  funds in  a different                                                               
manner  than it  requires  of commercial  applicators working  on                                                               
private property.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:33:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE  related  that  public  agencies  will  still  be                                                               
required to  follow proper safety and  licensing requirements and                                                               
all  other  regulations  for the  application  of  pesticides  or                                                               
broadcast   chemicals.     He  indicated   the  Alaska   Railroad                                                               
Corporation  (ARRC) represents  an  impediment  to the  efficient                                                               
application of pesticides  in a timely manner  and a significant,                                                               
unnecessary, and costly process.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHARI  FEIGE  referred   to  a  zero  fiscal   note  from  the                                                               
Department of Transportation & Public  Facilities (DOT&PF).  This                                                               
agency  spends  about  $5  million  annually  to  cut  vegetation                                                               
alongside  Alaska's  highways.     Due  to  delays  in  acquiring                                                               
permits, the  DOT&PF has been  reduced to using  mechanical means                                                               
to  address vegetation  control.   He recalled  the Alaska  Moose                                                               
Federation   testified  before   the  legislature   that  cutting                                                               
vegetation  along  roadways  is  the key  to  reducing  moose/car                                                               
collisions.   He  agreed  that  has been  his  experience in  his                                                               
district.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:34:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  related that  she is  an avid  berry picker                                                               
and picks along  road corridors.  She asked how  the DOT&PF would                                                               
inform the public if it broadly applies chemicals.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  offered his  belief that  it would  be used  in a                                                               
fairly  limited  way.     He  was  unsure   that  the  pesticides                                                               
themselves would be harmful.  He deferred to the DOT&PF.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:36:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON asked  for clarification  on whether  pesticides                                                               
are also herbicides.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE answered yes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:36:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  inquired  as   to  the  source  for  the                                                               
"Questions and Answers about Pesticides" in members' packets.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE agreed to provide the information.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI asked for  specific examples of instances                                                               
in which DOT&PF  has been prevented from using  chemicals or when                                                               
DEC has not been timely in permitting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE deferred to the ARRC.   He pointed out that DOT&PF                                                               
does  not  use the  permitting  process  since  it is  too  time-                                                               
consuming and use mechanical methods instead.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:37:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  asked how  often the  permits must  be                                                               
issued and if new ones must be issued each year.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  answered that the  current regulations  that this                                                               
bill  would  repeal  stipulates approximately  a  60-day  comment                                                               
period  for  each permit  application.    He clarified  that  the                                                               
requirements  are extra  requirements placed  on public  entities                                                               
that  are  not  required  of   commercial  operators  or  private                                                               
individuals  who  spray more  chemicals  than  anyone else.    In                                                               
response  to  a  question,  he answered  that  the  bill  changes                                                               
statutes not regulations.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:39:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  related his  understanding that  current statute                                                               
requires agencies to  submit an application for  pesticide use on                                                               
public lands, but permits are not  required on private lands.  He                                                               
was  not  certain how  that  applied  to  Southeast Alaska.    He                                                               
recalled that  herbicides or  pesticide applications  could drift                                                               
over  streams.   He  anticipated  the  agencies would  address  a                                                               
number of issues that arise with respect to spraying chemicals.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:40:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  has found that  when the state  "fixes" a                                                               
problem it often  does not address the root issue.   She referred                                                               
to the  sponsor statement, which  read, "The DEC  permit requires                                                               
collection of unnecessary information,  delays application of the                                                               
product,  increases costs..."    She inquired  as  to whether  it                                                               
would make  sense to fix how  the permitting is done  rather than                                                               
to remove the permitting requirement.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE responded  that  the permit  under discussion  is                                                               
only  applicable  to  public  agencies.    The  regulations  with                                                               
respect to  the pesticide  application would  still apply  to the                                                               
public entities as  well as the commercial entities.   In further                                                               
response to  Representative Gardner, he  referred to the  DEC and                                                               
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:41:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI  asked  what  the  specific  unnecessary                                                               
pieces of information that causes delays in permitting.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE related his understanding  the biggest problem has                                                               
been that public  agencies must go through an  extended period of                                                               
public  comment  and public  review,  which  is costly  and  time                                                               
consuming, as well as unnecessary.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:42:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI   inquired  as   to  whether   this  was                                                               
requested by the department.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE answered  that the idea for the bill  came up as a                                                               
result of overview briefings by the DEC.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  asked for  clarification  on  whether                                                               
public agencies  do not have  to get  permits, or if  permits are                                                               
not  required  when application  of  chemicals  occurs on  public                                                               
lands.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE answered that HB  195 would repeal that section of                                                               
statute  which  requires state  agencies  such  as the  ARRC  and                                                               
DOT&PF to acquire permits on  state land when applying pesticides                                                               
and broadcast  chemicals to manage  vegetation.   The restriction                                                               
would  be removed  and the  agencies  would be  treated like  any                                                               
other commercial applicator.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:44:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  inquired as to  whether the  current regulations                                                               
allow private applicators  to apply chemicals on  state lands and                                                               
waters  but   the  agencies  cannot   or  that   anyone  applying                                                               
herbicides  or  pesticides  on  state lands  must  have  a  state                                                               
permit.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  indicated that these  restrictions do  not extend                                                               
to private individuals.  In  further response to Co-Chair Seaton,                                                               
he  answered that  he was  unsure of  any reason  that a  private                                                               
person would  apply pesticides and  broadcast chemicals  on state                                                               
lands.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:45:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ understood  that HB 195 would  take away the                                                               
department's  requirement   for  permitting  for  this   type  of                                                               
application.   She  inquired as  to whether  the departments  can                                                               
currently apply for permits.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:45:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE  agreed  that  the  current  statutes  require  a                                                               
permitting process to apply pesticides  or herbicides.  This bill                                                               
repeals  that requirement.    The  SOA would  be  treated as  any                                                               
commercial  applicator.   In further  response to  Representative                                                               
Munoz, he agreed that a private  operator does not need a permit.                                                               
He was unsure  of instances in which a  commercial operator would                                                               
spray along the road right-of-way.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON suggested the state  DOT&PF and DEC would be able                                                               
to answer that question.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:46:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  referred to the policy  history of allowing                                                               
widespread  use  of  chemicals   along  the  public  right-of-way                                                               
roadways.   She  offered  her  view that  would  open  up a  very                                                               
controversial topic.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON  agreed  the topic  would  create  debate  since                                                               
chemicals such as  Rotenone, which is a  biological chemical used                                                               
to kill fish.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:48:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRISTEN  RYAN,   Director,  Division  of   Environmental  Health,                                                               
Department  of Environmental  Conservation (DEC),  introduced her                                                               
division  as  the  one  responsible  for  the  Pesticide  Control                                                               
Program in Alaska, and corresponding regulations, 18 AAC 90.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON asked Ms. Ryan to respond to previous questions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN responded  that currently the DEC requires  a permit for                                                               
the  application   of  any  pesticide   to  state  land.     This                                                               
requirement   tends  to   affect   the  ARRC   and  the   DOT&PF.                                                               
Additionally,  a permit  would  also be  required  if someone  is                                                               
applying pesticides to water or by air.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   SEATON   related    his   understanding   the   permit                                                               
requirements  for state  water  or land  would  apply to  anyone,                                                               
including private individuals or a public agency.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN answered yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON related  his understanding  permitting would  be                                                               
required  on  private lands  if  an  individual was  applying  by                                                               
helicopter or other means.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN added also on water.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON  reiterated  that anyone,  including  commercial                                                               
operators,  applying pesticides  by air  to land  or water  would                                                               
need a permit.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN answered yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN provided  an example, noting that  the Alaska Department                                                               
of Fish  and Game (ADF&G)  has obtained several permits  to apply                                                               
Rotenone to  lakes to kill invasive  species, such as pike.   The                                                               
ADF&G must  obtain a permit because  they are a state  agency but                                                               
also because they are applying the chemical to water.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI  related   that  the  sponsor  statement                                                               
indicates  that   the  permit  requires  a   lot  of  unnecessary                                                               
information that could delay the application.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:51:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   RYAN  offered   her  belief   that  the   timeframe  varies                                                               
significantly, but  the more difficult  ones can take time.   She                                                               
stated that  the DEC was  successful in  issuing a permit  to the                                                               
railroad last year  and that took over one year  to process.  She                                                               
recalled  that issuing  ADF&G a  permit for  Rotenone application                                                               
does not take as long  since the agency has frequent applications                                                               
for the same  type of permit.  She did  not agree the information                                                               
requires unnecessary information but  the permit process raises a                                                               
lot  of questions  that may  be unnecessary,  but the  department                                                               
must  respond because  the  issues  have been  raised.   The  DEC                                                               
relies heavily  on the EPA to  evaluate product safety.   The EPA                                                               
has  the  research  and expertise  and  has  performed  extensive                                                               
research and evaluations prior to  pesticide sales.  The DEC does                                                               
not have  staff toxicologists and  relies on  EPA's toxicologists                                                               
to evaluate  chemicals.   She said that  the EPA's  evaluation is                                                               
adequate to ensure the product's safety.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:53:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI asked  whether  she  was indicating  the                                                               
permit was not necessary.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  related that  the  DEC  has several  regulatory  tools                                                               
available.  A permit should be  used in those instances which the                                                               
DEC believes represents  the highest risk, thus,  permits are the                                                               
DEC's strongest  tool to  protect the  environment.   She related                                                               
that  decisions for  permitting should  be based  on risk.   Land                                                               
ownership  does not  fall  under the  category  of risk  factors.                                                               
Risk factors such as pervasiveness  in the environment or ability                                                               
to  bioaccumulate in  animals  mean  chemicals could  potentially                                                               
move beyond  the target area.   Thus, those factors are  ones the                                                               
DEC uses  to determine  when to  place restrictions  on chemicals                                                               
through  the  registration  process.   She  noted  that  EPA  has                                                               
determined  some  chemicals  persist longer  in  Alaska's  colder                                                               
environment than it has found  in warmer climates.  When products                                                               
are registered in Alaska, the  DEC places additional restrictions                                                               
on  the  chemical  use.     She  clarified  that  the  additional                                                               
restrictions affects  everyone's use of those  chemical products,                                                               
not  just someone  obtaining a  permit.   She offered  her belief                                                               
that  the   best  method  to   restrict  pesticides   is  through                                                               
registration since it impacts all uses.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  related the sponsor  statement indicates                                                               
the bill would repeal the  DEC's ability to regulate application.                                                               
He asked for comments.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  answered that  the  DEC  has  not taken  any  position                                                               
against the bill.   She offered her belief that  the way the bill                                                               
has been drafted  the DEC would still have  adequate authority to                                                               
require permits for  higher risk applications such  as those done                                                               
on water or air.   The DEC does not view HB  195 as preventing it                                                               
from  issuing permits  on higher  risk applications  so it  would                                                               
continue to do so.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:55:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI asked  for  further  clarification.   He                                                               
related a  scenario in which  he is on  public land, flies  in to                                                               
lake property,  with a cabin  200 feet setback  from a lake.   He                                                               
would like to apply an herbicide  to make lake access easier.  He                                                               
inquired as to whether he would need a permit.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN offered  her belief  that it  would be  a violation  to                                                               
apply   pesticide  to   state   land   without  the   landowner's                                                               
permission.  She  pointed out that private  citizens cannot apply                                                               
pesticides without permission by regulation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  elaborated.   She related a  scenario that  occurred in                                                               
Kenai in  which a  person applied  a product to  kill algae  on a                                                               
private lake  with several homeowners.   The person was  found to                                                               
be in violation since the person failed to obtain a permit.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  thought that may be  different under the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:58:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON recalled  past  debates  about pesticides  being                                                               
applied  around schools.   He  inquired as  to whether  this bill                                                               
would remove  the necessity  for a permit  and if  the individual                                                               
school  district would  be  responsible  for applying  pesticides                                                               
when it determined the necessity to do so.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  answered this  bill  would  not affect  schools  since                                                               
schools  do not  currently  need permits.    The regulations  are                                                               
specific  to  state  property  and  schools  are  city  property.                                                               
However,  the  DEC's regulations  apply  to  schools because  the                                                               
students are  viewed as  a more vulnerable  population.   The DEC                                                               
requires  schools  to have  an  Integrated  Pest Management  Plan                                                               
(IPM),  which  all pesticide  users  should  have in  place  that                                                               
evaluates alternatives.   She indicated that  schools utilize the                                                               
IPMs to plug cracks to prevent  rodent entry or use bait stations                                                               
to prevent  student exposure  to chemicals.   She  clarified that                                                               
the DEC does not issue permits.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  inquired as to whether  roadside areas, roadside                                                               
pullouts and shoulders would be affected by the bill.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN answered  that the bill eliminates  some vague statutory                                                               
authorities which  have been confusing.   She offered  her belief                                                               
that the  DEC has interpreted  statutes to mean that  permits are                                                               
required for applications  on state land, and  the DEC interprets                                                               
state land to mean DOT&PF  rights-of-way, ARRC rights-of-way, the                                                               
DNR Plant Materials Center in  the Matanuska-Susitna Valley.  She                                                               
indicated those as three entities required to obtain permits.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:00:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ   asked  whether  the   permitting  process                                                               
requires   any   public   notice  of   pesticide   or   herbicide                                                               
application.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN responded that it does.   She indicated that it requires                                                               
a  substantial public  process, which  accounts for  some of  the                                                               
permit  application delay.   She  recalled that  regulations were                                                               
adopted after legislation passed  several years ago that requires                                                               
public notice  of pesticide  applications in  public areas.   For                                                               
example, if  the spraying occurs  on a community soccer  field, a                                                               
public  notice would  be required  to be  posted up  to 24  hours                                                               
after spraying,  indicating that the  area has been  sprayed with                                                               
pesticides.   That requirement would  still exist if HB  195 were                                                               
to pass.   She stated the key is that  the statute defines public                                                               
area.   She  reiterated that  in  locations in  which the  public                                                               
accesses an area,  a statutory mandate currently  exists that the                                                               
public be notified prior to  pesticide application.  However, the                                                               
statutory  requirement for  noticing would  not apply  on private                                                               
land.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:01:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ inquired  as  to  what notice  requirements                                                               
exist in  rights-of-way areas  where there  is historical  use of                                                               
berry picking.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN offered  to review  the  language and  consult with  an                                                               
attorney,  but  she  said  she   thought  that  it  read,  "areas                                                               
frequented by the public."  She  offered her belief that it could                                                               
be interpreted to mean areas that  the public commonly uses.  She                                                               
suggested the language  is a little vague and  could be clarified                                                               
in statute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  referred to  the  DOT&PF  analysis in  the                                                               
fiscal  note which  implies  that  DOT&PF would  use  a lot  more                                                               
pesticide along  roadways if this bill  were to pass.   She asked                                                               
if the  perceived onerous permitting  process deters  DOT&PF from                                                               
applying for permits.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN answered  that the  DOT&PF  was successful  in 1988  in                                                               
receiving a permit but not since then.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:03:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON inquired  as to whether conditions  in the permit                                                               
made it onerous  or if it was  the length of time  for the public                                                               
process  and  "agitation"  that   deterred  the  department  from                                                               
applying for permits.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN indicated that it was the latter option.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:03:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  related her  understanding  that  the                                                               
discussion pertains  only to state land  and not to water  or air                                                               
applications.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN nodded yes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON reiterated that the  bill would pertain                                                               
to state land and state agencies.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN answered yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON inquired as  to whether fees  and costs                                                               
are associated with the permits.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN   related  that  the   agencies  could   provide  their                                                               
perspective.   She indicated that  it has cost the  Department of                                                               
Environmental Conservation (DEC) $70,000  to justify its actions.                                                               
She   related  that   the  department   has  not   completed  the                                                               
adjudication process yet but are nine months into the process.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:04:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  recalled  earlier  testimony that  the                                                               
ARRC received  a permit  in 1988  and asked how  long it  took to                                                               
obtain that specific permit.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN said she did not know.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:05:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON surmised  it  must  have been  "awful"                                                               
since the ARRC has not applied for a subsequent permit.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN agreed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:05:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON stated the ARRC  must remove vegetation                                                               
for safety issues, such as fire  control.  She offered that other                                                               
means of vegetation  control exist such as cutting,  which has to                                                               
be done repeatedly throughout the season.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON said  she  did  not understand  why  a                                                               
permit  must be  applied for  every  two years  since the  permit                                                               
purpose is for the same purpose.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:06:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  stated the  ARRC would  need to  go through  the entire                                                               
process  again.   The current  permits are  for two  years but  a                                                               
regulation  change has  expanded  permits  to five-year  permits,                                                               
although  none have  yet been  issued under  the new  regulation.                                                               
The   department  must   initiate  the   process  by   making  an                                                               
application again,  the process  must start  again, and  DEC must                                                               
justify it  all over  again.   She offered  her belief  that some                                                               
ground would be gained but it doesn't  seem so.  The DEC has been                                                               
"fighting" the same challenges as during the original permit.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:07:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  inquired  as to  whether this  creates                                                               
extra work for the departments.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  offered her  professional opinion  that the  permits do                                                               
not add  value to  protecting the  environment and  human health,                                                               
which are the department's overall objective.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  related her  understanding  that  the                                                               
permitting  process does  not add  public protection  but creates                                                               
work  for  the  department  and  for  the  ARRC  or  other  state                                                               
agencies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  reiterated her  view that based  on land  ownership the                                                               
process  does not  add value  to protecting  the environment  and                                                               
human health.   She stated  that the  permits should be  based on                                                               
risk, and  risk should  be determined  on application  method and                                                               
product use not land ownership, which is not a risk factor.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:08:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON understood  that DEC would rather permit                                                               
the pesticide than to require state agencies to hold a permit.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  answered yes.   She explained the  registration process                                                               
would be  a better  method to ensure  that pesticides  are safely                                                               
used.   She  suggested an  even  better tool  for protecting  the                                                               
public  would be  to use  certified  applicators since  certified                                                               
applicators adhere  to rigorous  standards for  certification and                                                               
re-certification.     She   reiterated  that   certification  and                                                               
registration  process for  products are  the strongest  tools the                                                               
DEC  has to  ensure  that  these products  are  used  in a  safer                                                               
manner.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:10:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE directed  attention to the bill.   This bill would                                                               
makes  three changes  to  existing statute.    He explained  that                                                               
Sections 1  and 2  would conform the  statutory citations  in two                                                               
sections by  deleting a  paragraph in proposed  Section 3  of the                                                               
bill.  He referred  to proposed  Section 3,  on page  3, line  8,                                                               
which deletes  AS 46.03.320(a)(2),  which removes the  DEC permit                                                               
authority.   Section 4 would  clarify the definition of  a public                                                               
place in  AS 46.03.320(c) on  lines 22-23.  Section 6 is  part of                                                               
the "real  meat of the  bill."  He referred  to page 4,  line 11,                                                               
which repeals  the public pesticide  program under  AS 46.03.330.                                                               
The program  regulates the distribution,  application, or  use of                                                               
pesticides  and  broadcast  chemicals  in any  state  project  or                                                               
program  or by  a public  agency  under the  jurisdiction of  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:12:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON  suggested  the  statutes could  be  copied  for                                                               
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE referred  to  the second  element  that seems  to                                                               
cause a  lot of problems  for the  agency is the  requirement for                                                               
public notice.   He said it requires the department  to conduct a                                                               
public hearing  if a hearing  is requested by the  governing body                                                               
of an  effected borough  or city  or by a  petition signed  by at                                                               
least fifty  residents.   He reiterated  this provision  sets out                                                               
the process to hold a public hearing.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:13:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  referred to Section  4, of HB 195  to the                                                               
definition of  "public place."   She inquired  as to  whether the                                                               
portion of  government office or  facility that is  accessible to                                                               
the  general  public does  not  suggest  blueberries alongside  a                                                               
road,  but rather  implies a  public building.   She  offered her                                                               
belief  that the  public's awareness  of spraying  chemicals that                                                               
may impact blueberries is still out  there.  She then referred to                                                               
Section 3  that removes a paragraph  in Section 2, does  not seem                                                               
to  only apply  to  land.   This  provision  being removed  would                                                               
regulate and  supervise the distribution, application,  or use of                                                               
pesticides  and  broadcast  chemicals  in any  state  project  or                                                               
program  or by  a public  agency  under the  jurisdiction of  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:15:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN agreed.   She  explained  that when  the statute  being                                                               
amended in  Section 4 was  drafted several years ago,  the intent                                                               
was to  notify the public  in plazas  and parks.   A right-of-way                                                               
would be a  new interpretation of that and the  DEC would look to                                                               
the legislature for  guidance on whether the  provision should be                                                               
expanded.  With respect to  the second question, there is nothing                                                               
in the  statute that requires the  DEC to permit aerial  or water                                                               
applications.    Removing this  provision  would  not change  the                                                               
permitting.  Instead, she referred to  page 3, line 12 of HB 195,                                                               
to  paragraph 3,  which read  "regulate  or prohibit  the use  of                                                               
pesticides  and broadcast  chemicals for  sale or  distribution."                                                               
She said  this language gives  the department broad  and flexible                                                               
authority  to regulate.   She  reiterated that  the DEC  has used                                                               
this  authority   to  require   permits  for  aerial   and  water                                                               
application.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:16:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON related  his understanding  that the  bill would                                                               
remove permits  required for  state land.   He asked  whether the                                                               
committee would need  to insert language to clarify  that the DEC                                                               
would require a permit for aerial or water application.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN said she did  not believe additional language would need                                                               
to be added,  but it is the committee's decision  whether to give                                                               
DEC a stronger mandate.  She  related that the DEC currently uses                                                               
existing statutes  to require  permitting and  the interpretation                                                               
of those  statutes would not change.   She reiterated that  if HB
195  passed or  did not  pass the  DEC would  continue to  permit                                                               
water  and   aerial  application.    The   bill  would  eliminate                                                               
references  to  pesticide application  on  public  land or  using                                                               
funding by public  agencies.  She commented that the  DEC has had                                                               
difficulty interpreting those provisions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:18:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON inquired  as to  whether it  would be  easier to                                                               
pass  the bill  if the  bill  specifically stated  that land  and                                                               
water does require a permit.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE clarified that permits  are currently required for                                                               
aerial and water  application, even if the  application were done                                                               
by a public agency.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN affirmed  the permits are required for  aerial and water                                                               
application.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  offered his  belief that  the committee  does not                                                               
need to add any additional language.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON said  that although the agency  uses the language                                                               
on  its own  volition, with  passage of  HB 195,  nothing in  the                                                               
statute  would specifically  outline the  requirement permit  for                                                               
water  or broadcast  chemicals.   He speculated  public testimony                                                               
would  be  substantial if  the  bill  language does  not  clearly                                                               
specify  that permits  would  still be  required  for aerial  and                                                               
water applications.   He understood the DEC would  still have the                                                               
authority to do so.  He deferred to the sponsor.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:20:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  asked  for  the  parties'  name  in  the                                                               
lawsuit that challenged  the permitting process that  took over a                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  answered that  the Alaska  Community Action  on Toxics,                                                               
working with  Trustees for Alaska,  and a newer  organization out                                                               
of Talkeetna, the Alaska Wilderness Survival.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON asked for clarification  if this bill passed that                                                               
nothing   removing   the   requirement   for   a   permit   would                                                               
automatically stop an existing lawsuit.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN deferred to the Department of Law.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:22:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  referenced   a  handout  in  members'                                                               
packets  "DOC body  page"  and asked  which  provisions would  be                                                               
deleted by the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE answered  that Article  5,  which encompasses  AS                                                               
46.03.320 and  46.03.330.  In further  response to Representative                                                               
P.  Wilson, he  referred  to page  3,  line 8  of  HB 195,  which                                                               
removes the language.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:23:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:23 p.m. to 2:27 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:27:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  BROOKS,  Vice  President, Engineering  and  Chief  Engineer,                                                               
Alaska  Railroad Corporation  (ARRC),  stated  the ARRC  believes                                                               
this  bill would  remove  impediments to  the  beneficial use  of                                                               
herbicides  on  the Alaska  Railroad.    He referred  members  to                                                               
information  in  members' packets  from  the  ARRC on  vegetation                                                               
control programs.   He  offered to briefly  address why  the ARRC                                                               
needs to  use herbicides on  the Alaska  Railroad.  The  two most                                                               
compelling reasons are the need  for track inspectors to visually                                                               
inspect the track.   Vegetation impairs the  visual inspection of                                                               
fasteners between  the rail and  ties and the ties  themselves to                                                               
ensure integrity of the track.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:28:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS related  another reason pertains to the  area near the                                                               
tracks.    Inspectors inspect  the  trains  at  stops or  in  the                                                               
railroad yards.   Keeping  the area  free of  vegetation provides                                                               
the best footing  for employees conducting the  inspections.  The                                                               
federal regulator  also sends track safety  inspectors to inspect                                                               
the Alaska Railroad.  The  federal inspectors have remarked for a                                                               
number  of  years  on  the increased  vegetation  on  the  Alaska                                                               
Railroad and more recently have  indicated the vegetation has not                                                               
been acceptably controlled.   He referred members to  a letter on                                                               
the DOT&PF website.  He  summarized the letter as suggesting that                                                               
"we  better get  our  act together."   The  ARRC  has taken  this                                                               
letter very seriously.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:30:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS stated that in 2009,  the ARRC applied for a permit to                                                               
apply  a limited  application  of a  product  typically known  as                                                               
"Roundup."   He clarified  that the  ARRC has  wanted to  use the                                                               
product  in Seward  and in  the track  between Seward  and Indian                                                               
near Anchorage.  He referred  to photographs that demonstrate the                                                               
"before"  and  "after"  application.     He  explained  that  the                                                               
herbicide has  been applied on  eight-foot wide swaths,  which is                                                               
approximately the length  of the ties.   The photographs indicate                                                               
the effectiveness.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:31:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROOKS  related  that the  Federal  Railroad  Administration                                                               
(FRA) subsequently  sent inspectors in  2009, and found  over 700                                                               
locations in which  the vegetation was found  to be unacceptable.                                                               
The inspectors  issued violations on  about 100 of  the locations                                                               
and have threatened  fines for up to $16,000 per  violation.  The                                                               
ARRC has been concerned because of  the need to have railroads as                                                               
well as the financial implications.   The ARRC would like to move                                                               
forward  with herbicides  to  supplement  its vegetation  control                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:31:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROOKS indicated  that while  DEC  has been  "great to  work                                                               
with" that the  overall process with DEC has been  difficult.  He                                                               
offered  his  belief that  the  department  has been  working  to                                                               
produce  a defensible  permit due  to anticipated  opposition and                                                               
potential litigation.   The ARRC  successfully received  a permit                                                               
last   April  but   were  immediately   taken  through   the  DEC                                                               
adjudication  process  over  whether  a stay  should  be  granted                                                               
during the appeal.   The ARRC prevailed at the  DEC level, and in                                                               
Superior Court  and Alaska Supreme Court.   The ARRC was  able to                                                               
apply  herbicides in  July 2010  in those  limited areas  between                                                               
Seward  and   Indian.     However,  the   ARRC  remains   in  the                                                               
adjudication process  and anticipates  it will  be back  in court                                                               
over the original  permit.  In the meantime the  ARRC has applied                                                               
for  two   additional  permits  to  address   vegetation  in  the                                                               
Anchorage, Healy, and Fairbanks railroad yards.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:33:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS referred  members' to materials in  their packets that                                                               
outline costs to  date, which have been $334,000  for the initial                                                               
permit and  legal and  internal costs continue  to accrue  as the                                                               
process evolves, he said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON asked whether the  ARRC would proceed directly to                                                               
court in litigation if it did not have to defend a permit.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS offered  that a privately held railroad  in Alaska can                                                               
go to Wal-Mart  and buy pesticide and apply it  without a permit.                                                               
The private railroad could be  held for damage for misapplication                                                               
of the herbicide, for example,  if the pesticide migrated outside                                                               
the area it was applied.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:35:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  recalled  specific areas  the  ARRC  has                                                               
applied  to  use   herbicides.    She  inquired   as  to  whether                                                               
herbicides would  be the  first choice  to control  vegetation in                                                               
the event the Alaska Railroad did not need to secure a permit.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS answered that he would  expect to see the ARRC use the                                                               
herbicides much more widely.  He  offered his belief that the use                                                               
of herbicide provides  an important tool and would  be used where                                                               
needed but as conservatively as possible.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:36:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON  referred  to  a  handout  previously  mentioned                                                               
labeled, "Questions  and Answers"  page which  is located  on the                                                               
following website:                                                                                                              
http://www.grounds-                                                                                                             
mag.com/mag/grounds_maintenance_questions_answers_pesticides/.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:37:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON opened  public testimony on HB  195 and indicated                                                               
his intent to leave public testimony open.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:38:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER  CURRIE,   Assistant  Attorney   General,  Environmental                                                               
Section, Department of Law, introduced herself.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:39:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON  inquired as to whether  this bill would                                                               
eliminate the need for permits  to apply pesticide on state land.                                                               
She inquired  as to whether  cities and boroughs are  required to                                                               
comply.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURRIE answered  that the statute does not  require anyone to                                                               
obtain  a  permit.    As  previously  mentioned,  Article  5,  AS                                                               
46.03.320  (a)(2),   requires  people   who  use   herbicides  or                                                               
broadcast chemicals to  do so with the authorization  of the DEC.                                                               
Thus, eliminating  provision two that discusses  state land would                                                               
not actually  eliminate the current regulatory  requirement for a                                                               
permit as outlined in AS  46.03.320(a)(3), which reads: "regulate                                                               
or prohibit the  use of pesticides and broadcast  chemicals."  In                                                               
order to  eliminate the need for  a permit on state  land the DEC                                                               
would rely on legislative history and intent.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON suggested the sponsor may wish to consider this.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:41:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON recalled that Ms.  Ryan previously testified that                                                               
the  DEC  relies   on  the  EPA  to   have  chemicals  certified,                                                               
permitted,  and for  certified applicators.   He  inquired as  to                                                               
whether  all   state  agencies   currently  only   use  certified                                                               
applicators.  He  explained that the problem  of having employees                                                               
who  may  or may  not  know  the  full implications  of  applying                                                               
chemicals could  be avoided  by requiring  certified applicators.                                                               
He suggested  that may bypass  the need for permitting  but still                                                               
ensure  controls.   He inquired  as to  whether the  DEC has  the                                                               
ability to require certification of state employees.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:42:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN   explained  that   the  current   regulations  require                                                               
certification  in several  instances  including application  near                                                               
schools,  as well  as any  pesticide applied  in a  public place.                                                               
Anyone applying  pesticides commercially must be  certified.  She                                                               
related  that  nothing  in   current  regulations  require  state                                                               
applicators must be  certified.  She recalled that  the ARRC does                                                               
do  so as  part of  their permit  application.   She offered  her                                                               
belief that  nothing in statute  or this bill would  prohibit the                                                               
DEC from doing  so.  She suggested it would  be helpful to obtain                                                               
guidance from the legislature on this.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:43:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  reiterated this approach may  appease the public                                                               
and satisfy the agencies.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON noted that  the Alaska Railroad  has an                                                               
overview  scheduled  in  March  and  read  from  materials,  "The                                                               
herbicide aqua master  is applied by a  licensed contractor using                                                               
low-volume, low  pressure equipment to direct  the herbicide only                                                               
where it is intended."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  agreed some agencies may  voluntarily comply but                                                               
he  was  unsure whether  all  the  agencies would  use  certified                                                               
applicators.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN pointed out that  the requirement for an integrated pest                                                               
management  plan  can  be  a  useful  tool  for  anyone  applying                                                               
pesticides  on  a  regular  basis.   She  advised  that  this  is                                                               
required at schools as a means of reducing pesticide use.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:45:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON asked for any  suggested recommendations from the                                                               
DEC.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:46:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  inquired  as  to  whether  the  plan  is                                                               
formally approved by  the DEC or if the school  district can just                                                               
say it has a plan.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  answered that  the  DEC  does  not currently  have  an                                                               
approval process  but several  venues write  plans.   She offered                                                               
that extensive  material is  available on  the EPA's  website and                                                               
the agency will provide technical assistance.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:46:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 195 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Game - Turner#2.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB195-DEC-SWM-03-24-11.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 195
Sponsor Statement.docx HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 195
HB0195A.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 195
HB0144A.PDF HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB144-ADF&G-Fiscal.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB144-DNR-Fiscal.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB144 Fishing Stream Sectional.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
Stream Access Problems - DNR.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
LOS_Alaska Fly Fishers HB144 Support.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
LOS_Churchill.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
LOS_KenaiRiverSportfishing.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
LOS_WillardStockwell.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
LOS_Women's Flyfishing.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
Pesticide Permit Applications on State Land.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 195
Questions & Answers on Pesticides.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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Zaumseil Letter.txt HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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HB144 LOS_AOC 2011.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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ARRC Vegetation Control Cost Overview_Final.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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HB0195 Sectional Analysis.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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Additional Applicator Study Requirements.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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Pesticide Applicator Manual Contents.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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HB195 Pied Piper.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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HB144 Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 4/1/2011 1:00:00 PM
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